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Zigbee and the Heart

Hi again!
I was wondering if it would be technically possible to get Zigbee support from the hardware the Heart has. Is it a matter of updating the firmware, or would a different kind of antenna or something like that be needed? Also, on the topic of Zigbee, why are there so many kinds?

Would love to be able to integrate Aqara temp and humidity sensors straight into the Heart some day. I bet there are others that do the job, but those are the ones I have…

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Hi Gordon!

The heart does not have it’s on zigbee-chip but depends on the hue-bridge connected to it. I have heard that ikea trådfri-bridge is thought of but cause ikea does not provide an open api there is like trial and error for the developers.

On your second question i think the short answer is that the companys that develop the different standards does not have any benefits to support many compatible standards. For example, i have a hue-bridge but only 3 or 4 real philips hue-lamps. The rest is ikea trådfri. Like 38 i think right now. As you might understand it would have been fortune to buy all those in hue-original. Thats why the companys keeping it’s own standards. Xiaomi who have developed aqara is not better. All companys want to bind you to their products. Some of the products is partly compatible due to similar standards. (Like tradfri and hue) but that is not anything that ikea and philips wants to spread out. And sometimes you need to use a workaround to pair them. (For example touchlink between tradfri-lamps and hue-bridge)

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I guessed that was the case. Will have to get a Hue-bridge then, or maybe an Trådfri-gateway in the future, as Xiaomi and IKEA seems to have partnered up. Exiting times we are living in! :smiley:

I hear what you are saying about companies trying to lock users to their products, but why call many incompatible protocols the same? That is not the definition of a standard or a protocol, right? Why not say, us at IKEA we use our own super secret protocol and no one can borrow it! Or rather Philips, because IKEA probably likes to be the cheaper alternative.

My guess is that companies don’t want to reinvent the wheel, and that Zigbee is open source or cheap or whatever (which Z-wave, which seem to be an actual standard, isn’t then, or you have to actually follow the standard) and then they tweak the syntax or something just enough that other brands don’t understand the data. The weird part is, why keep calling it Zigbee, when that’s totally irrelevant at this point?

Z-wave - Zigbee, 1 - 0 :slight_smile:

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The problem is that the name “zigbee” does not mean that it is only one application “profile”. The wikipedia-page on zigbee explains it real good.:slightly_smiling_face:

“Established in 2002, the Zigbee Alliance is a group of companies that maintain and publish the Zigbee standard.[15] The term Zigbee is a registered trademark of this group, not a single technical standard. The Alliance publishes application profiles that allow multiple OEM vendors to create interoperable products.”

But you can also read;

"The requirements for membership in the Zigbee alliance cause problems for Free Software developers because the annual fee conflicts with the GNU General Public Licence.[18] The requirement for the developer to join the Zigbee Alliance similarly conflicts with most other free software licenses.[19]

The Zigbee Alliance board has been asked to make their license compatible with GPL, but refused.[20]"

On that page it also states the different profiles that is in use (or at least were in use when the article got written)

It is a jungle in my opinion :roll_eyes::palm_tree::monkey:

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Haha, yeah, I agree! Of course they are free to do what they want, but to me it doesn’t make sense in a marketing and communications way. Fine if they use this “family of protocols”, but why write zigbee on the box? :slight_smile:

I think that it actually is one of the requirements to be in this so called “family”

Haha, wouldn’t surprise me! But that’s quite funny!

And tragic…:unamused:

What about Dotdot and Thread? Those are similar to both Zigbee and Wi-fi if I understand correctly. After seeing a webinar on Youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgtCahCylOo) i find myself liking the thought of yet another protocol, a possibly more reliable and even more powerful one. Google seems to have adapted it, and is a member of the group, and the newly announced Google Nest Hub Max (that’s a mouthfull) has support.

Hardware-wise I’ve heard rumors about :animusheart: being able to handle it, IF Animus choose to join the group and release a package for it. Will this be the end of the multi-protocol sorrows we all have? What are your thoughts?

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It would be really neat if there was a possibility to plug in, for example Conbee 2, Zigbee controller in the USB port on Animus!

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I too would like some solution to have zigbee sensors, like the aqara temp sensor, in the heart.

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Hi !

Saw that trust had some cheap sensors now, any chance of getting them to work with the heart ?

even their base unit was very cheap, you may be able to make it work through a bridge ?

Kind regards
Johan

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Hi! I would think that it’s a bigger chance that ikea tradfri will be supporting xiaomi sensors due to their officialy told cooperation. But we haven’t seen any products yet… The tradfri-line of products will be expanding as well as i have understood. The problem is that all zigbee-versions isn’t compatible with each other.

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Hi !

Thanks for your reply :smiley:

The reason I asked was because I came across a base unit as well as a number of sensors from Trust. The idea was to run the base unit as a bridge, if possible. in the same way they did with hue bridge before.

https://www.trust.com/en/product/71168-zigbee-control-station-z1
https://www.trust.com/en/product/71170-zigbee-wireless-motion-sensor-zpir-8000

Oh i see! :slight_smile:
One of the problems is that it’s a quite big thing to include a new gateway. I know that the developers have struggled quite hard with the last included gateway; tradfri, mostly due to closed APIs. These products from trust have i never seen before, there is a little feeling that even the not so famous brands try to make their own little fortune on home automation. And what we get is a quite fragmented market with a lot of different products with different versions of same protocols.

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“And what we get is a quite fragmented market with a lot of different products with different versions of same protocols.”

Completely agree, and unfortunately i think this leads to big problems especially for a manufacturer like Animus.

The reason for me why I bought Animus instead of for example Xiaomi Mi Smarthome was that I would have access to more protocols in the same unit and that would lead to a wider range of sensors to choose from.
More products to choose from usually mean that you can buy cheap and better products , but here is where the problems start as I see it. many of the good and cheap products are not supported by Animus, A good example is Xiaomi Aqara tempsensor.

Another example is now when trust sold zigbee sensors to door and window for 100 sek or motion sensors for 100 sek a piece.

I’m doing this just for fun So buying sensors for 300-500 each is not an option for me.

sometimes I wonder if it would not have been cheaper to buy one system with only support for one protocol but which has very cheap sensors so I can build a large system without breaking the bank.

Well, the thing is, Zigbee isn’t one one standard or one language (as far as I’m concerned, and the way I view it). It’s more like a family of standards. That’s why you can’t connect a Xiaomi something to a Hue or Trådfri gateway. I can’t even connect my Aqara temp sensors to my Xiaomi Mi hub, or what ever it’s called. I need an Aqara Hub. With Z-Wave everything is supposed to be able to communicate, and I guess thats why it’s a bit more expensive. That doesn’t happen by itself I suppose. You probably knew all this already and I typer it all for nothing :smiley: As I said, I have a few Xiaomi and Aqara sensors and would love to be able to get them into the :animusheart: but I realize the amount of work would be too large to add every single brand of sensors. We got the two most popular ones, Hue and Trådfri, lets hope Xiaomi is next. Either through their partnerskap with IKEA or direktly into the :animusheart: Well just have to wait and see, and let the developers know our hopes and dreams. We’re all doing this for fun, but you get what you pay for :wink:

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@fredrik.setterqvist
I have been thinking about buying one just to try it out. The heart has an USB port. And the heart is an rasberry pi, so it should work with a lite bit of coding (i hope). :slightly_smiling_face: